mashed in maryland
2:29 Fri Jul 14
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Enough people for it to have been an issue in the first place, Suiss.
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Swiss.
2:26 Fri Jul 14
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my god what a bunch of whinging old women on here. Get a life. I mean who really gives a toss.
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GingerNut
2:21 Fri Jul 14
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You could not make it up, etc.
Gone to hell in a handcart, etc
How about:
"Everybody, the train is coming", or "Earthlings,the train is coming" or simply "Cough! (or ding dong), the train is coming".
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Alex V
2:18 Fri Jul 14
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>>> What if it's a negative step for more than the 'some'?
Then make a case for that.
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mashed in maryland
1:50 Fri Jul 14
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Its not just a small change in wording either, the entire point of it is that it's a change in how staff are expected to identify their customers. "Ladies and gentlemen" is now not inclusive enough because the concept of male/female is archaic.
A valid concern should be that it won't be long until staff are disciplined for slipping up.
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Lee Trundle
1:38 Fri Jul 14
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Alex V - FOR THE FEW NOT THE MANY
He's the opposite of his hero, Corbyn.
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Side of Ham
1:37 Fri Jul 14
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They just need to gender neutral up!
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Fivetide
1:36 Fri Jul 14
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Why not just make the change without announcing it and trying to make some sort of social marketing / political gains from it? Any perceived problem would have been overcome if it ever was even an issue, and nobody would even really have noticed or thought to comment. But of course nothing can be done now without someone making a big noise about it while doing it, and stirring up opinion and ire that never actually existed. It's posturing for the sake of publicity, when the aim could have been achieved with a minimum of fuss. All of which would be fine if part of TfL's job is to boost awareness of LGBT issues. But it isn't. Their job is just to provide transport infrastructure for all, not to spread awareness of social inclusion while doing it.
The same goes for changing the way you want to wish people Merry Christmas. If you perceive a reason to change it, just change it. There's no need to disseminate justification or awareness unless that's your business's role.
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Coffee
1:34 Fri Jul 14
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What if it's a negative step for more than the 'some'?
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goose
1:33 Fri Jul 14
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i wonder what the cost of the change is? if its more than £1 its a fucking waste of tax payers money just to appease a few gender benders.
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Alex V
1:30 Fri Jul 14
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>>> You think the fact that "ladies and gentlemen" is now considered insensitive is worth celebrating?
No. I wrote "If a small change in wording can be a positive step for some in society then I celebrate it".
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mashed in maryland
1:23 Fri Jul 14
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You think the fact that "ladies and gentlemen" is now considered insensitive is worth celebrating?
What is the matter with you?
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Alex V
1:09 Fri Jul 14
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>>> You may be comfortable being constantly told what to do/say/think but most people aren't.
The difference between us being that I don't believe the greeting in a tube announcement is telling us what to do/say/think.
That's not to say I think language isn't important. It is. If a small change in wording can be a positive step for some in society then I celebrate it. It is irrelevant in practical terms to the rest of us.
As so often, the railing against so-called political correctness is in itself political correctness. Actually I just think it's an irrational dislike of any change whatsoever.
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lowermarshhammer
1:06 Fri Jul 14
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More PC shite from the vast layers of management who have to be seen to be doing something to justify their existence.
The preposterous number of announcements that the public have to suffer is not really done for their benefit but for the army of paid mystery shoppers who go round checking that a PA is made within 90 seconds at a station if there is no movement and within 30 seconds if between stations.
Not sure what the requirement is on stations, no doubt something like a period of 2 minutes of peace and quiet is reason for a nonsense PA telling everybody to look after their luggage, not go onto the tracks etc.
LUL telling punters that THEIR service is GOOD is a fucking joke, as soon as anything goes tits up there are real problems conveying exactly what the problems are to the public in a timely and honest manner.
The fact that some managers are on performance related pay bonuses means they'll continue making us say it's a good service even when it is obviously not.
Ladies and gentlemen, hello everybody, it's all a crock of shit 90% of the time.
This unfortunately means that the 10% of the time when a PA is made for a valid important reason NO FUCKER LISTENS.
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Mike Oxsaw
12:56 Fri Jul 14
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There are many countries in the world where the way you can (think) act, dress, walk, speak, relate & pray are restricted and controlled.
There are many guests in the UK from those countries.
It's just the authorities' way of making them feel more at home with regards to integration - if you can't beat them, join them.
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mashed in maryland
12:46 Fri Jul 14
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It's not about me, Alex. It's about the policing of language and all that comes with it. You may be comfortable being constantly told what to do/say/think but most people aren't.
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Alex V
12:45 Fri Jul 14
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In terms of life-adjusting language issues, for me it ranks somewhere above when Cheryl dropped the 'Cole' surname, and way below the day they changed Marathon to Snickers.
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Alex V
12:28 Fri Jul 14
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>>> It certainly is a life adjustment to wake up one day and find out the term "ladies and gentlemen" isn't PC enough.
It must be very tough for you.
>>> If you don't see the potential issues with this and where it's headed then there's really no point in discussing it.
Rivers of blood etc?
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mashed in maryland
12:20 Fri Jul 14
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It certainly is a life adjustment to wake up one day and find out the term "ladies and gentlemen" isn't PC enough.
If someone were to say that this was gonna happen a while ago they'd have been laughed at. Yet here we are.
If you don't see the potential issues with this and where it's headed then there's really no point in discussing it.
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Johnson
12:19 Fri Jul 14
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Is it worth getting a froth over enough to change it then Alex?
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Sven Roeder
12:16 Fri Jul 14
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How much of a life adjustment is it to hear the greeting ladies & gentlemen on a tube announcement?
Is it really enough to get in a froth over?
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